Tree Platform?

topic posted Wed, November 16, 2005 - 8:52 PM by  Todd
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I posted this to the Treehouses tribe and thought I should do the same here:

Well, perhaps we can work on this. I have lots of tools, and pulleys, though I don't have a good block and tackle. I'll get one of those before we get started.

Basically I was going to do a tree platform with some posts to aid in support. I have two trees that are to serve as the main anchor and then another two trees to stretch out to. Distance is about 20', thinking about 10'x20' structure shaped somewhat like a trapezoid. One thing I need is some design help. I would have a tendency to build it too overly strong, but I guess that wouldn't be a problem considering I could use the posts to help to bear most of the weight. I haven't figured out how much it would weigh all together, but after the platform I could see popping a little structure of about 5oo lbs up there.

I'll take care of materials, just need some hands doing it. First one since I was a kid.

Right now I have been talking with the trees with regards to cleaning out some branches and where best to support. I'll post a pic of the previous tree platform that I had to take down. The previous owner was very much into topping trees (read killing) and opened two of the big boys to disease. You'll get the basic idea though.

I live in Boulder Creek, I'll work on a good date and let you know, I Promise...:). Hopefully I can do this before the rains come, so by early January?


Anybody interested? I could use some help and setting a date would make me do it! If I had some design help and precut and fit the wood, then it would go up in a snap!! Oh yeah, and then there is the matter of the posts and trimming the trees...
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Todd
SF Bay Area
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  • Re: Tree Platform?

    Thu, November 17, 2005 - 8:09 AM
    I'd like to help with this....the issue for me however is getting out to Boulder creek...it would good to see some survey plan..or sketch indicating the diameter of the trees.....this a little difficult for me to visualize but why a trapazoid? This irregular form doesn't seem necessary but I think missing some info. I'm assuming your looking into a mid-post at 10' and its not a 20' span otherwise your looking at a fat piece of timber....unless of course you feel like constructing a small truss? that could be interesting but labor intensive. How high off the ground do you want to raise it? I'm curious. Again I don't know the tree trunk diameters but if there big enough can they host two plaforms that cantilever? From the sounds it perhaps they are too small.
    • Re: Tree Platform?

      Thu, November 17, 2005 - 9:45 AM
      I just index a 20' span and it requires a 4x12 for 40psf live load.....

      for a 10' span you can get away with paired 2x10's..There might be some issue of deflection.....but you would have to detail it with some sorty blocking between the the 2x's.
      • Re: Tree Platform?

        Thu, November 17, 2005 - 10:40 AM
        Posting this twice, to be sure you get it~
        Yay! I'm all for it. I've never built one, and have only been in two, briefly. But I am wild about them, and they are in my future, life dreams!

        If you want, plug me into your phone, so we can stay in touch this way too~
        510-644-3694 home
        Cheers!



        (ps, your promise joke was very cute..;^))


        PPS, about setting a date- Let's pick the weekend of the 21st in January. We can modify as needed, right?
      • Re: Tree Platform?

        Thu, November 17, 2005 - 8:51 PM
        So, let's see, I'll have to sketch something out and send it to you. The basics are that the diameter of the two mature trees with the preexisting support (see photo) which is like a rock in those trees, bark developing around it, are about 16" at height. The opposing two trees are somewhat less in size, approx 10" at height. The reason for a trapezoid of 6-8' at the larger to 10' at smaller trees is due to contour of sun and trails. Height off the ground is approximately 8' at the larger trees and 20' at the smallers.

        The total span is 20'. The posts would be at approx 10'. There would be angle supports from posts to beam. If I went with the separated 2x's, then I might have issues with the attachment of joists between beams no? I would then have to block at every joist attachment. Or perhaps I could overlay the joists across the top of the beams! This would allow for more airflow and prevention of rot. I could then cross support the joists, without blocking. What do you think of that?

        Now as I am thinking, I don't see any reason that I couldn't make a rectangular one and make it easier for me. I'll look at it again tomorrow morning.

        With the joists, I would probably be able to get away with 2x8's? I am thinking that with that I could then run 2x6's across the top for decking. Man that is starting to add up in weight. I have fears now. Is that too heavy duty? I mean it isn't like I'll be holding parties up there, but may have a small group of up to 8 people or so. And also may eventually add a small structure up there for sleeping and stuff. Would I be better of using two posts per beam to take some of the weight off the trees?

        What does 40 psf live load get me...8000lbs total on the platform including beams? Are there any quick calcs on the weights of wood?

        Yikes, I am starting to drop into question mode! Damn engineers always looking for things to ask questions about!

        Thanks you guys for your interest!

        The 21st of January sounds good to me, though it will be WAY wet up here at that time (I hope). But let's start there and see how it shapes up!
        • Re: Tree Platform?

          Thu, November 17, 2005 - 9:42 PM
          boulder creek road trip!

          who's up!

          count me in for the muscle more than the brain power. :)
          • Re: Tree Platform?

            Fri, November 18, 2005 - 9:34 AM
            Fantastic. If we want to pick an earlier weekend in January, it's cool. I just thought of a time when things have hopefully settled down a bit.

            Todd?
            • Re: Tree Platform?

              Fri, November 18, 2005 - 9:39 AM
              Let's keep that date for now. I'll work on the materials and perhaps I can set some posts so that I'm not diggin in mud.

              This is too much! I have been wanting to do this for years, just other projects in the way..blah blah blah...thanks guys for your push on this!
    • Re: Tree Platform?

      Sat, November 19, 2005 - 11:47 AM
      rather than going with huge (and heavy) dimensional lumber, you might want to look into using pre-fabricated truss joists or even make your own.

      here's what the pre-fab stuff looks like:
      www3.telus.net/selkirk99/...joists.html
      • Re: Tree Platform?

        Sat, November 19, 2005 - 2:20 PM
        I like the pre fab truss idea. ...However I do believe Todd would like to use existing materials he has on site.....He's not to crazy about 'lams' of any sort....I do think its work investigating because you use less wood........but typically more glu and 'cfc' nasties. But even now the cfc emmissions are getting mighty low with some products.
        • Re: Tree Platform?

          Sat, November 19, 2005 - 10:16 PM
          Yes, much prefer wood over glue and other nasties. I like the 2x's with the spacer block, that will take some weight out. I'll look into the trusses though.
          • Re: Tree Platform?

            Tue, November 22, 2005 - 4:45 PM
            FYI....Live Load doesn't include structure...so if your really nuts you can probably take a cement mixer up there.........


            ......or a small soundsystem.



            I can index members for 20psf load....essentially a roof load and you could get some smaller structural support.
            • Re: Tree Platform?

              Wed, November 23, 2005 - 7:28 PM
              this may seem patently obvious, but Todd, if you haven't looked over some of the geekier aspects of treehouses.com, it might rock your world, and this project in a whole other direction.
              FYI

              Loves!
  • Re: Tree Platform?

    Wed, December 28, 2005 - 9:36 AM
    Due to the recent amount of heavy rains, I will have to postpone this project. The ground is too saturated to do any real work in. Looks like springtime is going to be the time.

    I'll let you all know when this one starts up again. Though I still need to work on the design more.
  • Re: Tree Platform?

    Thu, February 2, 2006 - 12:54 PM
    i'm interested in helping out too. i lived in santa cruz for a long time, and built a treehouse in a grove of redwoods. www.corbinstreehouse.com
    -corbin
    (cd at bluetreesoft dot com) email works best to get ahold of me.
    • Re: Tree Platform?

      Thu, February 2, 2006 - 3:32 PM
      Neato pictures!!!

      Thanks for sharing them with us. The cat must have loved living it that tree house =)!? I know our cats love it when we go for walks in the woods, I can only imagine how happy they would be if we had a place for them to sleep in the trees.

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